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SaveMe Oh: Yes 23. February
Quan: Congrats! Let me take the chance to ask you some questions and let's start with your beginnings. Did to enter SL to create art?
SaveMe: No, I enter to see what SL was and by coincidence I became me. And by becoming me there was no other option then to start creating art. It was not planned.
Quan: Hmm, the name would have given other options.
SaveMe: It exactly started with the name. I choose the name to provoke reaction and it worked well. People start asking me if i want to be saved or if I could save them. And that was the beginning of the chain reaction
Quan: And have you saved any?
SaveMe: Yes, a lot... although it depend how you see "saving" and acolythes prefer not to speak about it
Quan: Funny, I know a lot here but so far nobody told that he was saved by you. Explain, what is saving for you.
SaveMe: Saving means open peoples eyes about the true possibilities of SL. And punch them in the eye when they refuse to see. The true possibilities are a world wide interaction between creative people on a canvas that is not restricted by old borders and limitations
Quan: Such as...?
SaveMe: Gravity, kitchens, ownership, money and habits
Quan: But as far as I understand SL there is always someone who has to pay, a fact that many artists prefer to forget.
SaveMe: There is an option to pay, but there is also an option not to pay and still use the canvas
Quan: How? Without a sim there is no virtual world
SaveMe: Now you are exactly the example of the conservative thinking. Why you need a sim?
Quan: So, please explain how progressive people create a world without sims, because we need a place to rez prims or even to be.
SaveMe: My friends the Linden provide sims everywhere and they are all open for all kind of creativity without you swinging with your wallet. You can build in sandboxes and there are 1000 of empty sims and what is that stupid old view of building in sims? You can attach 256 prims on one body spot...you have....20 or so? Makes 4000 and something.
Quan: That does not answer how a company is able to exist without doing money, how to pay the staff?
SaveMe Oh: Company??? Money? Since when artists care about money, profit and staff???? Are you an idiot or what?
Quan: I think just an idiot expects others to provide all for free.
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Quan: Did we ever left them? And by the way, also an artist has to live.
SaveMe: I live on the love of my loved ones. I earned with my art so much that I really have n idea how to spend it. I made a special avatar to take care of my Linden for when I reach old age.
Quan: Haha, concrats. I recommend to pay for some sims for free usage for artists
SaveMe: The less talented artists can pay of course, me they always beg to come. As more then money they need someone to wake parked avatars up out of their lethargy.
Quan: How do you think you can do it?
SaveMe: Waking them up you do by make so called events really an event.
Quan: What you actually mean is disturbing their opening events...
SaveMe: No I mean upgrading boring avatar parkings into speechprovoking events in meadows of interaction, in markets of creative exchange and in playgrounds of fun.
Quan: Since you do that for a long time now, you know that the only interaction that artists blame you to use their popularity for your own show, they hate and ban you. Where is the creativity in that?
SaveMe: As the majority still didn't see the light it is a long proces, so I cannot count the time that is necessary. Rome was also not build in one day. And the popularity of other artist is not a real concern. When they are good enough they will survive.
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Quan: I have problems to see the light to as I don't see a line. I do not see that you choose by quality or by the style of art. When you disturb a life peformance as if done by the last opening of the UFO you are just disturbing this kind of art you say you want to have.
SaveMe: I am not gonna talk about the ridiculous behavior of Betty with you. The event could have been wonderful.
Quan:: I am not talking about Betty, it was about the concert of Ultraviolet Alter.
SaveMe: I even was not able to meet Ultralight. Betty banned me before Ultralight came in. Or Ultralight banned me herself, or one of her bodyguards.
Quan: I was told that you came back with an alt and crashed the sim.
SaveMe: I did not came back with an alt. I was still at the border of the sim behind banlines and I attached some protest signs. That was all. I have no alts disturbing events. All my alts are good citizens. That's a myth. I also dont crash sims, thats also a myth. I cannot help my glory get that big
Quan: Hmm, I didn't want to go too deep into single cases but I saw myself that you came back as your 'Father' at Bryn Oh's talk.
SaveMe: But my father is a very nice, polite and correct man ( I hate him for that, the old fart). I would have prefered he would have kicked that snob of a sister of mine
Quan: All these actions have one in common, I don't see any empathy with the work of the artists or respect of it. Do you really think that others deserve that?
SaveMe: I also don't have a lot of empathy with the work of others, I am mostly bored to dead behind my screen and that makes the urge to create some activity even bigger. What others deserve or don't deserve is again not my problem. In the best scenario they created a good playable space. You think I have to go around saying CLAP CLAP when somebody has glued again some prims together?
Quan: No, I don't do that too. And I really think that honest critics are helpful.
SaveMe:: As that is what we are here for. Play. Not to be audience or CLAPCATTLE.
Quan: Play?
SaveMe: Play yes
Quan: I highly disagree with this point of view
SaveMe: As a journalist your point of view is not that interesting.
Quan: I am blogger, I have an opinion.
SaveMe: I take notice of that.
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Quan: But regardless my opinion. The point is that most artists in SL don't see their work as playing and tend to take it too serious.
SaveMe: Thats why they are so grumpy, they take themselves sooooo serious. Regardless the fact that in RL they are maybe toiletladies.
Quan: That does not judge the quality of their art and RL artists takes themselves often to serious too.
SaveMe: The real artists know that if their work has quality it will get the attention it deserves. Simple as that. The crybabies who see SL as a last oportunity to show the world their lousy aquarelles will be less pleased.
Quan: Sorry, again I have to disagree. RL artists are not better.
SaveMe: I dont say that. I also know RL artists who are even worse than their SL avatar and drama is also art, all those primgluers forget that in their arrogance as if gluing a prim together is the highest level of art.
Quan: Totally true and I like you for your humor.
SaveMe: One day I will be a stand up comedian.
Quan: I reserve a ticket right now.
SaveMe:: And then come with large attachments???? No thank you!
Quan: Arghhh, you got me! And I am BAD in bulding! But large should be possible. You glue prims too and especially your last attachments has been very good. Was there any common idea behind the sequence of scenes or are they just random?
SaveMe: Random, but in a concept and in reaction of the environment. I have a series with big boxes, I have Hopper attacments, I have attachments from the last performance, which was an invitation to participate. So people could do to me what they accuse me of doing to them as I did a project some years ago were I handed out my avatar to everyone, so they all can be me. I want contributions and not glued avi's on a chair or parked ones on a poseball.
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SaveMe: That's why it is a long way and when you call that sad you better order me some more boxes of Kleenex. The few artists who are attending have seen the light. The others are still in their dark ages. And I am not participating in a popularity contest.
Quan: If you would show more empathy with others in SL you would get the deserved appreciation as artist. I am honestly tired of discussions if you are artists or not.
SaveMe: I dont have that discussion, I don't say who is an artist or not, I just say that in my screen I have the right to do whatever I want. Respect for what? You think Picasso was all day banging on the door: "respect me, respect me?" You just do, and see where it brings you. And when a glued prim installation stays somewhere for weeks or months what is the problem? Even I have to sleep sometimes, so if the people use that to vist a sim.... And the elderly have their early morning walks?
Quan: If you refer to your actions the problem is that you choose the times when many people are there. If you would appear with your glued prims the next day, nobody would care.
SaveMe:: Am I smart or what? I just think the same.
Quan: lol...that is a question of the point of view.
SaveMe: And the smartest thing to do of course is send me a journalist.
Quan:: Ah yes? why?
SaveMe: I could have been upgrading Betty's party now, but I am here talking with you. In a way you are robbing the people now from a real event.
Quan: Just a last question...
SaveMe: You think Betty's party has finished?
Quan: No, I will go there after.
SaveMe: I can't come with you. She has me banned already.
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SaveMe: Because the first day you go in SL the Linden don't ask you, please copy yourself- They offer you all kind of options and it is very strange that after making a choice a lot of people expect you to be yourself again. That's weird. Even when I had chosen to be a kangaroo they would have expected me to be a empathic kangaroo.
Quan: Initially, I think, the idea was a copy of reality, as shown by the name Second Life
SaveMe: I think the opposite, they offered me strange last names, strange avi's etc. I think it is the people inside SL who don't get things going their way who start to scream about behaving "normal" again. The old fashioned powergame.
Quan: It is a very interesting question how and why people choose to be their own copy or not. But we all have one in common. Our brain only can digest information taken from the senses. All is virtual for the brain. Therefore it is always us who interact, whoever we are here.
SaveMe: Amen!
Quan: It was not my goal to impress you. I know that I am good ;) It is more about your thinking that rules do not count here. You hurt real persons.
SaveMe: When you can't stand the virtual heat get out of the virtual kitchen. They can always go back to painting aquarells on sunday.
Quan:: I really would love to see such actions in RL and the reactions there. But will there be more performances with the last attachments? And if, when?
SaveMe: Every day, just stay close to me. The point is that you don't schedule that.
Quan yawns secretly: Following you every day, how interesting!
SaveMe: haha
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The photos are all taken recently at actions by SaveMe Oh. And if you happen to be invited to an action of SaveMe Oh, don't miss it. It is worth a look. Large attachments are welcome!
23 comments:
Nice work Quan! :)
The ego dominated ramblings in his response to Quan's questions tend to support the idea:
Empty wagons make the most noise.
So, Tyrehl, you would prefer that people not be dominated by egos, and speak sensibly as full wagons that make no noise?
Performance Art almost always raises hackles...and people either praise it, or cast aspersion at its practitioners. It's clear from this interview that one of Savaria's goal in her art is to create playful scenarios that inspire an awareness of what it means to live life in a scripted, prim-populated environment. Quan is clearly trying to suss out the boundaries and limits to such an approach.
Art....what is art? As a musician in this virtual environment, all I know is I would rather have someone interject some spontaneity then listen to a fellow musician play the same basic set of songs they have played 5x a week for the past 6 years.
It's all personal taste I suppose.
What I prefer, Whirli, are people who are honest and substantial.
After having personally witnessed the “performances” of this person for several years it is clear that there is very little playful intent in evidence. What I’ve witnessed repeatedly are the acts of a cyber-bully who appears to derive perverse satisfaction from forcing himself into the lives of others and then gleefully watching the results.
He repeats this same process over and over and over again with almost no variation while cowardly hiding behind the false facade of a “performance artist”
These aren’t creative or artistically important performances. These are the rebellious acts of a one-trick pony who is more interested in manipulation, control and self-aggrandizement than in actual creativity.
I feel sorry for him.
SaveMe is weird. I liked this interview... Thing is, She sort of inspires asking questions to yourself. She is very much like a mirror... Over time I have appreciated her differently, and I think I always will... She is a guarantee against being bigheaded. Not that I require that very much....or do I? :-)
Tyrehl, you dont like her art. I get that... If you want a dialog, I'd love to have one with you..either here or privately. Lets start here: Show me in this interview where Saveme is dishonest and insubstantial. My analysis is that its a very lucid conversation, and reminded me of the classic debates between gore vidal and william buckley from the 1960s.
Whirly,
Attempting to judge the content of a person’s character or the quality of their work via a single instance is rarely a wise idea. As I’ve said, I’ve watched this guy’s behavior in a variety of venues, over a number of years. That sort of experience builds a much more substantial idea of someone that no single blog posting or interview can reliably manifest. That being said, if on your own you haven’t detected any of the numerous false assumptions, contradictions, and ungrounded egocentric expectations that the character is projecting in this interview, we may end up at an impasse in this dialog.
I’ve seen numerous examples of his dishonesty first hand, ranging from actively changing some words in user submitted comments to his blog in order to twist them to serve his needs, to outright lies printed both there, and spoken in-world in open text dialog. The motivations for such lies are not altogether clear and I hesitate to speculate on them openly, though I have some strong suspicions.
As far as his general presentations, Oscar might fancy himself a performance artist projecting the idea that he is using satire as the main style in his work.
On the other hand, anyone who knows anything about satire, realizes that a skillful and subtle use of humor is the hallmark of a talented satirist. This characteristic must be present, in order to distinguish an action as, on the one hand, an artistic satire, and and on the other, a vanilla tool of social reform that is much more like banal politics, than significant art.
Looking at the larger body of his work, there is little if anything subtle, skillful, or very humorous about what this individual does either during in-world “performances” or off world in his videos and blog.
That leaves in my mind only two alternatives. Either this person’s works are unskilled, poorly crafted performance art, barely worthy of the most amateur community theater, or rather the darker idea of the “artist scorned” who must resort to manipulation, control, and dishonesty in order to get noticed.
While I tend to think the latter of these two is closer to the truth, neither of these alternatives is particularly interesting to me.
Tyrehl, I really think you go a bit to far now. Good satire must not be subtle at all, I recommend the great article at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire And I do not get where SaveMe was dishonest in this interview. To me she presents herself as an asshole, but honest. I find it sad, that you as many people cannot separate the judgement about the art from the person. Especially the last performances, as far as I have seen them, has been far from unskilled and poorly crafted.
Tyrehl, I have noticed before that you are a person of big words with little content. The only "harm' that Saveme has done to you is trying to upgrade your particle performance, a performance you did over and over again. You got her banned, but your echo got hurt and now you take every opportunity to respond in a very negative way about Saveme. You even went that far by spreading her RL identity, which is actually very silly. Your bruised echo will always be in the way of understanding anything else then your own particle shows.
Quan,
I think you may have misunderstood me. It didn’t say that Oscar was being dishonest in your interview. I think if you carefully re-read what I wrote, you will realize that my judgment about his honesty was created from a wider range of experience based both on witnessing his SL behavior in a great many situations, and by reading his wide ranging off-world comments. If you look at the very first sentences in my last posting I think you’ll realize this.
It’s incomplete to base an idea of satire on a single entry in a public content created encyclopedia, rather than a far more in-depth study of the history, development, and review of the many examples of the art form. My contention is that Oscar’s obvious and unpolished crashing about can barely be considered to be satire at all, much less great satire. Of course this is a subjective judgment and everyone is welcome to their own.
Just because a person CAN gather a bunch of sounds together and broadcast them, doesn’t make that person a masterful musical composer.
Just because a person CAN gather a lot of pigments and spread them on a surface, doesn’t make that person a masterful painter.
Just because a person CAN put a bunch of words in a line, combine those lines into paragraphs and assemble those paragraphs into chapters, doesn’t make that person a masterful writer.
My point has always been that even IF someone considers SaveMe Oh as a satirical character, (which I do not) I can’t imagine what low standard of value would be required to consider her a competent representation of the art form, much less a masterful one.
If his work had any important depth at all, he would be able to establish his own venue, or find lots of others willing to provide him space in theirs and then draw huge crowds of people who would CHOOSE to witness SaveMe Oh’s performances. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to be able to do that, and as a cheap substitute he attempts to obnoxiously force his repetitive, shallow, poorly crafted, and egocentric ideas onto others in their own venues during their own events under the misguided idea that what he does is universally valuable.
Ironically the vast majority of what he does suffers from the same faults that he condemns in the work of others. How sad is that?
Rose,
I don’t know where you get the idea that SaveMe Oh’s presence in SL has ever harmed me at all. Considering the thousands of hours I’ve spent in Second Life, both witnessing the events of others and performing my own, It has only been a handful of minutes on a couple of occasions when his character has attempted to force himself into my life. On those occasions, he was dispatched or ignored with little trouble, and certainly with no harm. As a result, I have simply chosen the easier route of banning the character in advance to any future performances of mine in order to save everyone the confusion that may arise from her presence.
Just as Oscar may not think one of my performances is good enough on its own without his presence to “upgrade” it, I don’t think his work is important at all. As such, I make the choice to take measures to be certain that SaveMe Oh doesn’t have to endure the pain of witnessing any of my incompetence at all.
As far as your contention that I “take every opportunity to respond in a very negative way about Saveme.”, I’d challenge you to present even one case where I’ve made a public statement of this kind. To the best of my knowledge, after years of watching this sad character force his way into the lives of scores of Second Life residents, this is the first time I’ve publicly published any sort of substantial review regarding my opinion of his work or his life. It’s possible I’ve made an offhand comment once or twice, but certainly not in public, nor anything coming close to a complete statement like what I’ve posted in this blog.
As I said before, SaveMe Oh is the projection of a person who appears to have very little joy in his life. I feel sorry for him.
Tyrehl,
You have a poor memory or maybe you just like to remember what is convenient for you .
I also have a vivid memory of the moment you started to call me names and told me I was an idiot and poisoned and brainwashed by Saveme Oh because I did not agree with you.
You portray a very narrow conservative vision and poor judgement about virtual art and maybe it is wiser not to blow your trumpet so loud.
For the record:
Rose is Rose in secondlife, this platform gave me the possibility to create a new identity.
Quan is Quan
Bryn is Bryn
Eupalinos is Eupalinos
Betty is Betty
Ampel is Apmel
etc etc
and Saveme is Saveme,
It would be great when you understand and respect this beautiful possibility/gift SL has given us, In Sl we have the identity we carry above our heads and which is written down in our profiles. Disliking, disagreeing or maybe even hating someone is not an excuse not to respect this.
Rose,
I don’t need to rely on my memory so much since I log all of my SL chats, and the truth is that it’s your memory that isn’t correct. I’ve never said to you anything even remotely like the things you’ve suggested here, though I can understand how you may have allowed other events in your life to alter your memory of any conversations you and I have had in the past.
As for the idea of respect, I don’t think that a person who lies and deceives is worthy of my respect. I do respect people who simply disagree with me no matter how strong that disagreement might be.
However, I do not grant respect to people who haven’t earned it.
Tyrehl Byk was thinking: why no place for MY joy of life (Oscar, he, him)? I don't feel sorry for it at all (Oscar, he, him). I am just gonna see how often I can say the same words in a sentence (Oscar, he, him). This will teach the horrible SaveMe Oh (Oscar, he, him). As for sure after this character killing attempt SaveMe Oh doesn't dare to open her mouth anymore (Oscar, he, him). Am I a daredevil or not (Oscar, he, him).??
Now I only pray that Oscar, he, him has not exactly the same opinion as that awful SaveMe Oh.
Tyrhel, I'm not asking you to grant me respect.
I was trying to explain to you that it shows little grace not to respect the written and unwritten laws about Sl and RL identity.
Disliking, disagreeing or maybe even hating someone is not an excuse not to respect this.
Maybe you have forgotten that you are doing this.
I'm not a 'chat logger' but when you scroll trough the above comments you will find enough evidence which might refresh your memory!
"However, I do not grant respect to people who haven’t earned it."
This gave me the shivers when I read it:
Don't you think the basic behavior of civilization is showing each other respect, it is a given, no one needs to earn it !
I’m not certain you and I are talking about the same meaning of the word “respect”, Rose.
It seems as If you are asking if think I should grant an unlimited mortgage on my esteem to any person anywhere regardless of whatever behavior they choose to display.
No. I will not do that.
SaveMe is a particularly mean and cunning griefer. He revells in hurting people, making them feel sad. He is full blown psycopath with a severe megalomania, like a little Hitler determined to make SL life hell for as many people as possible. Best of all, disguising it all as a struggle against dictators. BTW He has nothing but contempt for you Quan. Lying in his blog that you didn't dare to publish this.
Dear Anonymus, nice that you fight for me. I would appreciate more if you would dare to expose your name. But besides that you comment proves that many (like you) are not able to understand SaveMe's humour. Since I already announced the interview and had done it, it was clear that I would post. But it took me about 10 days until I found time to edit and SaveMe was impatient. I actually laughed about her comments. People always create their own hell and blame others then.
Is it possible to recieve a list of people who's life I turned into a hell? Also I would like to know what are the symptoms, how does that hell looks like and if there are any religious experiences involved?
Thank you very much for your cooperation.
Just because a person CAN decide who "earns" his respect it does not mean that his respect is worth a shit. It is obvious here.
I have difficulties to understand how Tyrehl Byk, who hates SaveMe so intensely, can spend time on abusive commenting instead of taking the opportunity to discuss art in sl in a serious way.
Respect, someone?
Quan: I am one of the sheep that Saveme Oscar has nothing but contempt for. I am just a nobody in the art audience. I am in SL cause I love the artists. I go to art happenings and have to put up with Saveme Oscar doing his best to destroy them. In normal cases I would state my name but I have read his blog and another blog stating Oscar killing a squirrel for fun in his RL garden. I get strong Ted Bundy vibes. I am happy you think his contempt for you is humour. Otherwise you'd be sad. There is no humour whatsoever in the repetetive contempt he spews out.
Kandinsky: Try to do an art happening in SL and have Saveme Oscar and an army of alts destroy the event with a megaprim cheeseburger and chat flooding preventing your audience to see or experience anything. Then talk about respect. Does Saveme seem to want to discuss art in a serious way to you Kandinsky? Do you think discussing art means destroying events? It's not just Tyrell who hates this pathetic griefer. Saveme lives for hurting people. That gives him energy. Obviously he wants to be hated.
Saveme Oscar: That would make you soo happy wouldn't it? Knowing who your griefeing really hurt? That's what you live for. Makes you feel powerful and important. Sorry. I won't give you the pleasure.
Omg, I just searched SL and discovered there exists a SaveMe Oskar! With a K, dear friends. Could this be the real SaveMe??? And now what is reality? Finally see the real Jo Hardley, Gracie Kendall or DanCoyote Antonelli? I was thinking of sending a real life pick but I was too fat to fit the screen and facebook doesn't accept nudity, especially when there is a dead squirrwl involved.
And killing a squirrel with a rolpin in my garden?? Read the whole article here: http://blog.koinup.com/2009/12/saveme-oh.html
For Ted Bundy experiences I would like to send you to the new home of Ampel Goosson who created a Kampusch cellar for all kind of anomnymous people.
http://apmel.blogspot.se/2013/05/instead-of-interview-with-saveme-oh.html
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