tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post4588989169241121483..comments2024-01-26T05:41:38.718+01:00Comments on Quan's Travelogues: Which Skills Are Making an Artist? – A Discussion with Bryn Oh on PrefabsLucyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15305957432537672273noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-22292896968899203202013-02-02T14:21:20.206+01:002013-02-02T14:21:20.206+01:00She should have stopped after this.She should have stopped after this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-78655424027592887962012-11-04T20:56:25.307+01:002012-11-04T20:56:25.307+01:00Mr. Salvador,there are moments that I feel your op...Mr. Salvador,there are moments that I feel your opinion is valid pertaining to premadonas. There are artist in SL who do act that way. I have experienced it and witness it. I was like- "WTF this is SL not real life. You haven't made it in real life". I have to give you credit for your courage to say it, but at least use your SL identity though. I would have said, "BRAVO"!!! :) BTW: I have been to MOMA, I swear some of the stuff in there made me scratch my head. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248603696479237466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-40127050309841835412012-08-16T09:31:42.834+02:002012-08-16T09:31:42.834+02:00http://visualarts.walkerart.org/oracles/details.wa...http://visualarts.walkerart.org/oracles/details.wac?id=2453&title=Writings<br /><br />"On December 1, 1987, Huang Yong Ping placed a classical Chinese art history book and a Western art history book into a washing machine and washed them for two minutes. These two long-standing histories were transformed into a pile of unreadable pulp within two minutes." (from the above website)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05986582119243914787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-54036757432974270582012-07-06T14:04:48.498+02:002012-07-06T14:04:48.498+02:00I often compare musicians to visual (3D interactiv...I often compare musicians to visual (3D interactive) artists. A musician practices and practices and then performs either live or for post processing. Either way, the result is obvious: a combination of proficiency, concept, execution, style, and medium that all add up to a work that, judged objectively and subjectively, is music to our ears. There is an obvious quality present, even if it not to one's liking. Same with visual artists.RAGhttp://www.ragmedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-3431150988122160922012-07-02T10:40:35.769+02:002012-07-02T10:40:35.769+02:00@ Arrehn
ok, Arrehn! I would not take you at your...@ Arrehn<br /><br />ok, Arrehn! I would not take you at your pleasure ... but my great great grandfather had in his student days, an encounter with an extraterrestrial delegation from the constellation 'MUSREVATEM-74925601'. At that meeting, he was confronted as a present this model of the 'Chicxulub crater' in Mexico.<br />And this model is now in front of me on my desk.<br />Sorry, but those are the facts. Have fun with this information. I have my fun when I look at this heirloom now.<br />;-)HerrWortrankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14391709868046127470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-24750710116621974492012-06-29T22:43:55.326+02:002012-06-29T22:43:55.326+02:00@ChapTer
I am sorry to break it to you, but your ...@ChapTer<br /><br />I am sorry to break it to you, but your cube is but a small-scale model of the original artifact, 0.5meters x 0.5meters x 0.5meters, which was recovered from the Chicxulub crater in Mexico before disappearing under mysterious circumstances involving Phlilip Rosedale's great great great uncle.Arrehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15280891245565330093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-42140294541819238282012-06-21T08:30:15.422+02:002012-06-21T08:30:15.422+02:00@ savemeoh:
I have to tell you, I have the first o...@ savemeoh:<br />I have to tell you, I have the first original cube. It is right next to my computer on my desk in RL. It is a cube of 5x5x5 inches. the material is made of beech wood.<br />It is an heirloom of my great-grandfather, 19th-century.<br />I hope that this problem is now resolved<br />:-)ChapTer Kronfeldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-83275954506775265672012-06-20T18:33:52.066+02:002012-06-20T18:33:52.066+02:00Which bar, darling???Which bar, darling???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-34636493976128043202012-06-20T18:31:02.682+02:002012-06-20T18:31:02.682+02:00FATHER of Bryn Oh is a cheap copy of HIS FIRST PRI...FATHER of Bryn Oh is a cheap copy of HIS FIRST PRIM, the first prim DanCoyote Antonelli rezzed and is in my collection. I exhibited the piece during the DanCoyote Antonelli Retrospective, 3 years ago and I would like Bryn to redraw her cheap copy from the public space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-84760863944661685952012-06-20T11:05:46.237+02:002012-06-20T11:05:46.237+02:00The word "aesthetic" is wrong in that de...The word "aesthetic" is wrong in that defintion.Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15305957432537672273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-70737607922113898412012-06-20T11:03:55.505+02:002012-06-20T11:03:55.505+02:00It is about the question if an artist is able to c...It is about the question if an artist is able to control the process of creation. I tend to believe that this is more a wish than reality. And you prove how succesful the other way can be.Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15305957432537672273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-27029078454130920772012-06-19T06:41:49.592+02:002012-06-19T06:41:49.592+02:00@ Salvador D: "The Encyclopædia Britannica On...@ Salvador D: "The Encyclopædia Britannica Online defines art as "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects"<br /><br />I want to burn all hard copies of the Encyclopædia Britannica in a big flaming pile and call it art.Arduennhttp://arduenn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-80207249276382751802012-06-19T03:12:14.757+02:002012-06-19T03:12:14.757+02:00Kunst ist ein Kontinuum, in dessen Wirkungsbereich...Kunst ist ein Kontinuum, in dessen Wirkungsbereich du dich befindest, das du nie siehst, sondern ausschließlich fühlen kannst. Der Erschaffer dieses Kontinuums ist der Künstler.<br />ChapTer K.HerrWortrankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14391709868046127470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-82600988926665854472012-06-18T13:49:40.878+02:002012-06-18T13:49:40.878+02:00Ha! I'd rather have 'Mother', thanks ;...Ha! I'd rather have 'Mother', thanks ;-)<br /><br />Div - I get your point about not agreeing with the 'whatever the artist says is art...' opening the door for crap. But the crap is there, regardless. I guess what I am saying is that I've learned from experience that saying whether something is or isn't art is, for me, a pointless debate. You say it is, I say it isn't, etc. I can think of several artists' work in SL that people LOVE that I think is utter shite... and vice versa. Incidentally, speaking of the LEA, I know there are a couple people who also like to say what is and isn't art there, and I think this is a dangerous game for them, too. I'm an advocate of throwing that question out the window, and instead truly educating oneself on their own taste, being solid in their criteria, and then saying not WHAT is are, but WHY, HOW is art, to what extent is art, and when you get REALLY good... does a piece work? Is it successful or not (which again takes criteria). Which, btw, is exactly what you have done in outlining your thoughts on fantasy above.<br /><br />Obviously, what I've said requires more effort than the 30 seconds most people spend (if that) looking at a work of art.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-83237513412157094332012-06-17T22:57:06.686+02:002012-06-17T22:57:06.686+02:00Darn! OK, can I have an original Quan Lavender for...Darn! OK, can I have an original Quan Lavender forgery -- uh, imitation -- of a Bryn Oh piece?Dividni Shostakovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134699729838873403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-72932042992691750942012-06-17T21:39:16.586+02:002012-06-17T21:39:16.586+02:00Forget it Dividni! 'Father' is a original ...Forget it Dividni! 'Father' is a original piece and it is mine :PLucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15305957432537672273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-16012288994208715582012-06-17T20:51:50.462+02:002012-06-17T20:51:50.462+02:00My two cents (which I'll probably decide are w...My two cents (which I'll probably decide are worthless tomorrow): Quan, I think your comment about the absence of fantasy is tremendously interesting and important. Admittedly, I don't much about art, I just pretend to in Second Life, but I'm willing to float the idea that fantasy plays a large part in distinguishing art from non-art. I'm not a fan of the "art is whatever the artist (or anyone) says is art" point of view, it opens the door to too much crap or mere subjective opinion; but I don't think there are clear "objective" standards for art either: it's intersubjective, so if an artist is going to claim their work is art, they may need to persuade me -- a point that connects to Rose's comment on context. The leap of fantasy provides both persuasion and context. By "fantasy" I don't mean reveries on fairies and dragons and medieval swordplay, but rather stirring the imagination, emotions, sensual responses, meanings, and so forth. So a prim box is a prim box, whoopee, except when it has the title "Father" we receive a new context and we should start thinking about why and how the box could represent a father; possibly heaviness, lack of subtlety, plainness, lack of movement? It's not a "great" work but it's worthwhile to step back for a moment and fantasize about the possibilities. The Mona Lisa makes us wonder what the woman it portrays was like, and tells us some things about her. The geometrical designs that decorate much ancient pottery often had a symbolic significance known to all of its users, and so as I see it, a simple urn can be both a usable result of craftsmanship but also an artistic work in its own right. But I should add, I don't assume fantasy alone defines art, and maybe it isn't always necessary, but it's a significant factor.<br /><br />Also Rowan raises a good point, that there's not only a (muddy) distinction between art and non-art, but also a (muddy) distinction between good art and bad art. (I'm reminded of Louis Armstrong's comment, "There is two kinds of music, the good and the bad.") Bad art is not necessarily non-art.<br /><br />Salvador D is a bit unfair to Bryn and the rest of LEA. Based on her brief time on the LEA committee, Rowan has described both the democratic way in which artists are chosen for sims and the overall dedication of its members, and I have heard similar things from elsewhere. I see no reason to doubt these statements, least of all Rowan's since she resigned fairly soon after being made a full member. LEA's internal problems, its awkward relationship to the rest of the SL arts community, the sheer practical difficulties they face, and their overall cluelessness about how to resolve (or perhaps even recognize) any of these hurdles stymie their efforts, but I still think they're honest efforts to support a broad range of artists.<br /><br />I was one of those people who noticed that "The Path" used an image of Salvador Dali! But then, as is well known, two years ago I revealed that Bryn is in fact Salvador Dali, or rather, Dali 2.0. So she was slyly dominating all of "The Path" and bending those poor artists to her will! Bruh-ha-ha-ha-hah!!<br /><br />Oh, and back to the cube: Bryn, can I have that? I want a genuine Bryn Oh in my house!Dividni Shostakovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134699729838873403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-66359351268881191912012-06-17T19:16:33.675+02:002012-06-17T19:16:33.675+02:00As many of you already know, I make assemblages in...As many of you already know, I make assemblages in RL. In some ways it is similar to using pre-made sculpts and textures in SL, in that I take objects that weren't necessarily meant to go together, but go ahead and try to make them work anyways. What I think I like best about this medium is that it pushes me out of my comfort zone. The artwork is determined much more by what available objects I have, more so than my conscious mind trying to force a preset image that I may have had. <br /><br />At the high points, the artwork seems to create itself, and the result is something I couldn't have possibly made if I was able to dictate all the parameters. And of course the low points are when everything turns into a jumbled mess. But this spontaneity helps keep things fresh for me, even if I don't have anything close to a 100% "success" rate. <br /><br />And like Rose pointed out, sometimes the Crow works and sometimes it doesn't. I am hoping my current Crow does, though. :)Scottiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02136480851910007108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-49739997245822034132012-06-17T17:51:32.456+02:002012-06-17T17:51:32.456+02:00Well, you said all this much better than I can Ros...Well, you said all this much better than I can Rose. This is why, as Quan said (and thank you Quan for the lovely compliment), I think the question of 'What is art?' is, quite frankly, pointless. Tracy Emin calls her manky, used bed 'art', and the Tate agrees. I won't run around and shout 'THAT'S NOT ART!' Fine, it's art - but what I can do is say why, in my opinion, I find it to be a piece of incredibly self-indulgent wank that lacks in thought or originality. It is crappy art.<br /><br />When I teach art history (my day job), I teach my students to question not whether something is art, but HOW it is art... WHY is it art? What does it say (or not say), what does it engage with? Duchamp is everyone's 'go to art god' because he well and truly broke what everyone said art should be. However, I do think he very much engaged with craftsmanship (look at The Large Glass). But there is an incredibly elitist and insular aspect to lauding Duchamp or Dada (which, btw, is just turning 100 years old, so lauding it as radical is pretty ironic). As my own research has taken me into studying decorative art and design history, I've thrown away the what is art question more and more.<br /><br />I know for myself that the contemporary art I find successful and interesting is that which somehow engages with our culture, and has something to say about it. At 18, I was blown away by Jenny Holzer's pavilion at the Venice Biennale. Until that moment, Michelangelo had been the centre of my art world. I had little interest in modern art and probably said many of the same silly things Quan's children did (btw Quan, I hope you challenged them to go home and prove it - that is usually my response). Holzer was (and still is) using technology and text to comment on current affairs in an eloquent and thought-provoking manner, and her work opened up a whole new world of potential for me.<br /><br />I still have this same criteria for art in regards to what I want to research and write about. And it is why I am passionate about virtual art. I respect everyone's right to rez what they want and call it art, whether it be pixel facsimiles of RL work, particle shows, or (neo-)dadaesque performances intended to disrupt and intervene in what is seen as the status quo. But I won't necessarily find them interesting, engaging, or in my view, successful.<br /><br />I enjoy work that uses the medium, and I find the height of that being immersive installations. People like to criticise Bryn because she has reached a level of popularity with their work that some probably see equal to selling out. But there is a REASON she has reached this... besides the fact that she works her ass off, her work obviously connects with people. Certainly it doesn't work for everyone, and I admit freely that the very first time I saw one of her sculptures almost 3 years ago, I thought it was nice but I didn't get the hype. When I finally went to an immersive installation, I got it completely. Same with Rose, btw - I was creeped out by a picture of the Susas (ha, ha), but when I finally saw the piece I ended up writing about, I was 'sold' as they say.<br /><br />In any case, I am starting to ramble, so I'll go back to the original issue. I guess I would have to see what mesh items were being used in this fashion to judge whether I'd have a problem. As we all know, SO much of the artistic media in SL is appropriated - textures, scripts, sculpts, etc. So why should mesh be any different? But for me, the work that always stands out is by those who make their own stuff, as it usually comes together in a much stronger and more cohesive fashion. So to the artists that this bothers, shrug it off. <br /><br />-Rowan DerrythAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-11782708731468235442012-06-17T17:03:21.527+02:002012-06-17T17:03:21.527+02:00Exquisitely explained Rose, by the way just by you...Exquisitely explained Rose, by the way just by your name I wouldnt know who you are, but your idea, the way you presented and the elloquency you have, to me are the same as if you had signed any other way. What is it that people dont read sometimes and have the feeling that critizism is destroying? I am glad you read and understood what I meant in my reply. Who cares who am I as a resident of secondlife, what, are you going to read my profile and ban me from your sim because I said what to me is a reality? If you want a better artist community, as mentioned in the article, and having the posibility because you are one of the few chosen to help,like bryn does, do it, instead of throwing vague words at bloggers and hope for things to happen just because!! Look at it today, yet another Marcus Inkpen show at Lea, I am not critizicing this artist, but showing that one man is not a community, and he or she, is getting a plot there very often which means other people are not! Anyway if you want to know who I am, I am just Another Resident!! Thanks Rose, wish you the best in your next creations!! Oh and Quan, next time you post dont forget to mention the developers and creators of Blogger in your credits, after all you are using their work as a tool 8P (just kidding, just kidding).Salvador Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-9426854736286606792012-06-17T16:06:07.770+02:002012-06-17T16:06:07.770+02:00Agreed on the real name issue.Agreed on the real name issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-23857213862584695942012-06-17T14:37:18.702+02:002012-06-17T14:37:18.702+02:00Another important topic, Rose! The artist as the s...Another important topic, Rose! The artist as the stand alone hero is a concept born in the Age of Elightment. Before that quoting was not only appropriate, it was sometimes requested. And it might be that in our media era we already came back to this.Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15305957432537672273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-89719837045961072222012-06-17T12:32:37.612+02:002012-06-17T12:32:37.612+02:00I agree with Quan that it is preferable that the c...I agree with Quan that it is preferable that the comment maker uses his/her recognizable identity. But in this case I like the hint. We have used the image of Salvador Dali in the Path. A strong identity that comes with an history. Not many commented that we stole his image, it is accepted that we use him as an icon. <br />Dali himself was a great copier, I think his self-portrait as Mona Lisa is as famous as the original one.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285425039453149051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-54939116270157348772012-06-17T12:25:24.816+02:002012-06-17T12:25:24.816+02:00When I use tables, socks, light, candles, wine, do...When I use tables, socks, light, candles, wine, dogs, flowers, clocks etc in my project I do not name the florist, the clockmaker, the wine farm, the dogkeeper or any other maker, I have bought or rented the item. Unless there is an agreement like sponsoring. The light-set-costume designers, the composers, the editor, the Dpo and performers are part of the artistic team and will be credited.<br /><br />In SL most artists work as soloists and not in an artistic team. I find this a pity, but it is probably due to the fact that it is quiet difficult to communicate in depth and across language barriers in this virtual world.<br />My artistic team would be Caer Balogh, because she makes the scripts and <br />These scripts are an essential contribute to the content and the expression of my work.<br /><br />Most prefab items are bought; you own them with some restrictions and they do not need to be credited unless again there is another agreement (like for example sponsoring). They are commercial items.<br />What I do notice in SL is that the covenant of a sim is neglected. For example I have clearly in my covenant of my sim the restriction mention when someone wants to use my work in his or her own art work. But many picture takers in sl have no clue what a covenant is.<br /><br />And of course we all steal a bit and copy a bit and get inspired by other art works and study them intensely. But that behaviour is as old as the road to Rome and used to be common to make an artists grow and understand his/her own art and it can only make the virtual art movement better. <br /><br />We need a bar in SL where we can get drunk, have endless discussion, splendid ideas, no rules and restrictions, stimulation and have lots of fun because tomorrow it can suddenly be a different day and we have lost the opportunity.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285425039453149051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6054251823649377650.post-91409535451021995772012-06-17T09:23:12.260+02:002012-06-17T09:23:12.260+02:00@Rose: Thank you for that good comment. I think ev...@Rose: Thank you for that good comment. I think everyone would agree. Many artists like i.e. Christo never could have realized their ideas without team. But the initial question was: Should these people be named as done in theatres or movies?Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15305957432537672273noreply@blogger.com